Freedom from Ego Dramas

July 7, 2014 Divine Love Talk

Host: Dr. Parthenia Grant

Co-host: Kim Michaels

Guest: Vanessa

Topics: Kim’s book, Freedom from Ego Dramas

Parthenia:Alright.  I’m always so blessed and privileged to be back at Divine Love Talk, sharing information that I think is critical to our physical, mental and spiritual well-being and growth.  And I’m back here today talking to Kim Michaels’ book, Freedom from Ego Dramas.  Welcome Kim Michaels.

Kim Michaels:  Thank you.

Parthenia:OK, Kim is my co-host joining us from Estonia.  And Kim, every time I read one of your books, I always say: “Oh, My God, this is the most important book everybody on the spiritual path needs to read.”  But, let me tell you, when I finished Ego Dramas, this weekend, the epiphanies that I got and the paradigm shift that I got and the aha moments and the confirmations that I got from this information was so dramatic that I was just overjoyed.  Because I finally felt like: OK, I get it. I really get the dramas and the craziness that’s going on in the world and how my place in it and the mistakes that I’ve been making and what I can do about literally freeing myself from being into these dramas.  And so, I’m just really excited about sharing this information with everybody else - 

Kim Michaels:  That’s great.

Parthenia:who is really sick of dramas and people that are full of dramas.  So, today we’re gonna talk about ego dramas affect the way that we view the world, how they affect our relationships, our teachability and our ability to achieve peace of mind.  Now, all of that I think is what people say that they’re looking; but, at the same time, the ego gets in the way of us being able to achieve that.  So, you talk about – let’s see, I call our world view a paradigm, but you call it a mental box.

Kim Michaels:  Right.

Parthenia:And I like that, because I talk, when I teach, about us being inside of these mental boxes.  So, could you start out talking about how our mental boxes are related to our ego dramas?

Kim Michaels:  Yeah.  The really deeply underlying mental box that relates to the dramas is that we see ourselves as separate beings, as separate from each other, meaning from other people, we’re separated from God, we’re separated from the world we live in.  And that is really a paradigm or a mental box that has been built in the western world up throughout the Middle Ages.  And it’s only been reinforced, actually, by modern science, or at least the materialistic interpretation of it.  And it simply colors everything.  It makes us think that we have to struggle against something or someone.  And that’s really the essence of an ego drama is that it defines that there is some kind of struggle and then, it justifies the struggle.  And it justifies what you think you have to do in order to win the struggle or to protect yourself.

Parthenia:Well, you made it really clear in the book.  You said: “Only a drama makes it seem necessary to resist anything, including the dramas of other people.  And that if you have no drama, you are not attached to any circumstance you encounter and you do not use it as an excuse for not letting your light shine.  When you are focused on letting your shine you have no attention left over for resisting.  You are untouched by the dramas of others.  You are simply being the sun of God who is radiating your light independently of other people or material circumstances.”  Now, I would love to be in that place.

Kim Michaels:  Yeah, so would I.

Parthenia:Well, your book really helped me get a perspective on how I can get there.  But, the only a couple of people that I could think of, well several in recent time, that have embodied that.  Well, there are a few.  That would be the Dali Lama.  Definitely, Gandhi, who is one of my heroes.  Nelson Mandala and Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez.  So, there a group of them, and I would even throw Mother Theresa in there.  I gotta throw a woman in there somewhere.

Kim Michaels:  Well, I think there are probably many more who just aren’t so known.  Because again, in our culture, do we value that kind of quality in human beings?  Because, generally, we don’t.

Parthenia:I would agree, but I would say that there is enough of them that have gotten enough notoriety that we can look and say: OK, it is possible.  When I look at Gandhi, he really had that Christ-like example of challenging the mental boxes of society; but doing it in a peaceful way.  And I think that’s kind of the challenge that we have, would you say, of how to do that.

Kim Michaels:  Yes!  Yeah, I think so, because the question is always: If you become really non-attached, if you have really no dramas; are you really gonna engage yourself in society?  And that’s why I think there are so many of these people that have achieved that non-attachment, who are unknown because they don’t go out and battle.  So, I think there is also a state where, maybe you don’t have complete non-attachment or maybe you do; but you just feel that it’s your role to speak out and to protest what you see as being not right.  And I think that’s what Gandhi exemplifies.  I think, in a sense, there is a way to illustrate that is the difference between Jesus and the Buddha.  Where the Buddha when he attained enlightenment, he did not withdraw from the world; but he sat in an ashram and let the students come to him.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:  Whereas, Jesus went out among the people and stirred up the high and the mighty and challenged them.

Parthenia:Oh, he did do that.

Kim Michaels:  And so, I think that is the difference you are talking about.  And I think there’s two ways to do that.  You can still be non-attached, but still make an impact on the world.  And I think that’s very necessary.

Parthenia:Well, it’s a delicate balance, because I think when you’re on the spiritual path; there’s a part of you that gets so tired of the ego dramas and the violence and the craziness in the world, that you do just want to go to an ashram and just sit there and go: Ahhhh.  I’m just going to focus on OM.  You know?

Kim Michaels:  Yeah. Yeah.

Parthenia:And try to find some inner peace.  But, that clearly is not what we’re here to do, I think, in this day and age.  We are supposed to find this kind of balance between working on ourselves and raising our own consciousness; but, at the same time, finding a way to delicately challenge the mental boxes of other people around us, without interfering with their freewill, which is really difficult, I think, for any of us.

Kim Michaels:  Well, yes, it is very, very difficult; especially if you have some kind of drama you are outplaying.

Parthenia:Hee-hee-hee.

Kim Michaels:  But, I think if you get to the point where you are free of the dramas, then other people might say that you are interfering with their free will.  But you are actually not doing it as a result of a drama; you are just being who you are.  And, if that provokes people, then that really their reaction.  As long as you don’t have an ego-based reaction, you can’t really worry about other people’s egos.  They have a right to be in the state of consciousness they are in and react to you as they do, but you also have the right to be yourself.  And like you said in the quote you read, you have the right to be the sun, for your spiritual self to shine its light into this world, whatever that means.

Parthenia:Right.  OK.  I like that.  Vanessa is here with me in the studio, today.  Did you have some kind of reaction to that?

Vanessa:Well, I think I often get caught up in my own ego-dramas in reacting to other people’s stuff.  And it really — it gets tiring.  And I have this confusion between: Is being non-reactive being apathetic? Or I don’t know what to do.  I know that’s probably another ego game that’s my mind playing a trick on me.

Parthenia:Kim, could that just be a part of the journey and a part of the process of trying to find that balance between: How do we challenge the mental boxes of other people, while making sure that it’s not a part of our personal ego drama?

Kim Michaels:  I think it is very much a phase we go through, because I can recognize it in myself too that you get to that point where you almost think that if you’re not attached; it means sitting in a cave in the Himalayas meditating on OM, as you were saying.  And I actually think that there are many people who have to go through that phase, where they do absolutely nothing; but just focus within, in order to work through that, the ego drama.  And that’s perfectly legitimate, but I also think that it’s possible to come out of that and simply be who you are and go out in society without having an agenda.  You can almost feel in yourself whether you have — Do you have an attachment to a particular outcome?

Parthenia:Yes.

Kim Michaels:  Is there something you fell you absolutely have to achieve and these other people just have to listen to you?

Parthenia: (Laughter.)

Kim Michaels:  And if you have that, then you know you’re not at peace.

Parthenia:OK.

Kim Michaels:  You’re not there in that equilibrium.  It’s really not a matter of being passive and doing nothing.  It’s actually a matter of being in that state where you are acting from the silence, you are acting from that state of inner peace, where you don’t have an attachment.  But, there can still be tremendous force flowing through you, tremendous light flowing through you.

Parthenia:Vanessa, did that make sense to you?

Vanessa:Definitely.

Parthenia:Because one of the discussions that you and I had over the weekend and it was kind of difficult for me to convey that to you, because you were caught up in —

Vanessa:My drama.  Yes.  (Laughter.)

Parthenia:your drama.  But, it was more — and, Kim, if you could expound on this.  The way that I kind of put myself in check with my own personal dramas, because — the three books, Kim, that you have on the ego, which are: Freedom from Ego Illusions, Freedom from Ego Games, and Freedom from Ego Dramas — they really help me get in touch with my own personal dramas.

Kim Michaels:  Uh-huh.

Parthenia:But, this last book has really gotten me clear about the epic dramas.  It’s like once we move out of our personal dramas, which I had worked for years on moving out of my personal dramas.  And two marriages helped me get in touch with what was my stuff and what was their stuff.  Then I moved right into the epic dramas.  (Laughter.)  And so, now, what I get, Kim, is that whenever I’m trying to make a point to somebody, if I don’t have an emotional charge to it, where I’m upset because they think this way, or I really need them to think the way that I’m thinking or to get my point?

Kim Michaels:  Right.

Parthenia:Then I have some kind of personal investment in it.  And it’s my issue.  But, if I can stay calm and patient and listen to that person long enough to determine: Do they just want to stay caught up in their drama? Or are they really looking for a way out of it?  And that — you talked about gaining a level of discernment, this Christ discernment.  And I think that that’s that next level, where you develop enough discernment to go: This person just wants to be in their drama and that’s OK.

(Laughter from all.) 

Parthenia:Just stay in your drama.

Kim Michaels:  Yeah.  That’s a good way of putting it, because I think we all have this tendency.  If we have grown up without having an awareness of the spiritual path; and then, at some point in adulthood we find some spiritual teaching.  It’s almost like we see such a different vision of the world and what the world could be.  And it’s very easy to get caught up in this: Everybody has to know this!

Parthenia:After commercial break, Kim, we’re going to talk more about that. …

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Parthenia:OK.  We’re back with more of Divine Love Talk on CRN.  I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant, and I’m interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels, about his book, Freedom from Ego Dramas, which is the third in a trilogy of books that he has on the ego.  And I can’t emphasize enough how important these books are for anyone, who is not just on a spiritual path, but who is concerned about their relationships and the lack of peace and harmony in their relationships.  And when I say relationship, it’s the people you work with, your family, you intimate relationship, your friends.  Everything is a relationship, where you’re relating to somebody or something.  And, Kim, you pointed out that the nature of an ego drama is this built-in conflict.

Kim Michaels:  Right.

Parthenia:So, could you talk about that?

Kim Michaels:  Well, a drama, by definition, must have a conflict; or it’s simply not a drama, it doesn’t exist.  So, it’s almost like there’s a goal that has to be achieved.  And there’s always somebody who’s working against that goal.  And therefore, you have to find a way to change that somebody.  And the classical example of an ego drama is, of course, that we have three monotheistic religions that all honor the Old Testament.  And the Old Testament very clearly says: Thou shalt not kill.  But, the members of all three religions have, at different times in history, found it necessary and justifiable to kill other people in the name of God.

Parthenia:Right.  Which is a part of — So, I guess that brings us into the personal dramas and the epic dramas.  What you’re talking about with the monotheistic religions justifying going against their own teaching, would be an epic drama.  So, could you tell the audience the difference between a personal drama and an epic drama?

Kim Michaels:  Yeah.  Let’s take an example of sports, for example.  A personal drama can be where you are seeking to build your own self-esteem by making yourself better than others in a sporting competition.  So, you are trying to do the best you can.  You are trying to do better than the others.  But, you are very much comparing yourself to other people.  But, you are not at the point where you are willing to do something illegal or unsportsmanlike or something dangerous or evil to these people in order to win.  But, if you add the impact of an epic drama; you have, for example, what you had during the times of the Soviet Union, where you had Eastern Germany, for example, gave their young female athletes male hormones, in order to make them stronger, and it created all kinds of side-effects.  And this is an example of how the epic drama, the need to prove Communism right, the need to prove the superiority of your nation, trumps even the personal dramas and all of a sudden anything is justifiable.

Parthenia:OK.  And then I remember when there were these two skaters, where she beat up one of the other skaters -

Vanessa:  Oh my God, yeah.

Parthenia:so that she could win the Olympics.  That would be an example of — Would it be an example of a personal drama that has –

Kim Michaels:  In that case, probably more personal.  But, it is this — as soon as you have the attitude that the ends can justify the means, then you are somewhat affected by the epic mindset.

Parthenia:OK. Yeah.

Kim Michaels:  Because that is really the essence of that.  You know the means are not right, according to normal humanity, or our religion, or this or that, or the laws of society; but in this case it’s justifiable, because we have this greater cause.  That’s the essence of the epic.

Parthenia:Sure.  And you see that — OK, you take that to the war on terror.  It’s necessary, because we’ve got to protect our interests from the infidels and those terrorists and it doesn’t matter — go ahead.

Kim Michaels:  Well, we pride ourselves in the United States on having a country that is built on inalienable rights, meaning that not even the government can override those rights.  But, all of sudden, because of the war on terror; it is justified that the government spies on Americans.

Parthenia:That the government what?

Kim Michaels:  That the government spies on American citizens.

Parthenia:Oh, right.  Uh-huh.

Kim Michaels:  And you can debate whether that can actually preserve the American form of government, in the long run.

Parthenia:Yeah.  … 

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Parthenia:OK.  We’re back with more of Divine Love Talk on CRN.  I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant, interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels, about his amazing book, Freedom from Ego Dramas. (Recording jumped.  Might have mentioned Kim’s website www.transendencetoolbox.com) … And I’m not saying, Kim, that I believe that it’s instantaneous, because I have accepted that it’s an ongoing process of constant self-transcendence.  But, we really do need these tools.  We really do this information.  And the information that you have in the Ego Drama books — I actually found some insights that I had never seen before and some understandings of spiritual teachings that I think, probably, had just been revealed for the first time. It’s very, very rare that I ever run across something that I’ve never seen before, that sheds light on questions that I’ve been asking since I was a child.  And that’s what I found in this book, Kim. … 

Kim Michaels:  Well, that’s good to hear.

Parthenia:So this is one that I will keep reading over and over and I really, really wish that you had this one on audio.  If there’s any way you could turn this one into an audio book; I think that it would definitely be worthwhile.  And I know at one point when we started the whole ego series, you were saying: Ah, you know this series has been really, really difficult for people.  But I think, based on something that I saw on your facebook page, your ego books are picking up on Amazon.  The discussions we’re doing are helping.  Am I correct?

Kim Michaels:  Yeah.  They are on an upward trend.

Parthenia:They’re trending.  So, I look at those things in the world, because now I’m starting to focus on consciousness rising and the things that I want to see in the world, versus all of the things that I don’t want to see.  And Vanessa had a question for you.  We were talking on break.

Vanessa:Yeah.  I want to know, well, what do you think story-telling will look like after humanity has transcended the epic drama?

Kim Michaels:  Yeah.  That’s a very good question.  It will look very different, obviously; because there won’t be a villain, there won’t be always the darkness.  You look at all the stories we have from Star Wars to the Bible.  There’s always the villain.  There’s always the dark side.  And I think that will go away when we get through the dramas, because it’s really the essence of a drama.  There has to be a hero, that’s us.  There has to be a villain and that’s those other guys.

Parthenia:And the hero has to go in and destroy the villain and save the world.  But, Vanessa and I were talking about the new movie, Maleficent?

Vanessa:Yes.

Parthenia:And how, Kim, it really looks like the fairy tale, the new archetype is being redefined; because she is a blending of the villain and the heroine in the movie.  And there’s no longer — this is in my opinion the first fairy tale and it’s a remake of Sleeping Beauty, where we don’t have the wicked witch, who is the Wicked Witch.  She is completely dark.

Vanessa:Black and white.

Parthenia:Yeah.  If there’s no more black and white, it was the shift into a new archetype.  And what did you think of her as the new archetype?  Maleficent?

Vanessa:I loved her, because she really — you saw her humanity.  You usually kind of take humanity out of a villain and you only see them as this terrible person.

Parthenia:Unredeemable.

Vanessa:Yeah.

Parthenia:The villain is always unredeemable.

Vanessa:Yeah.  And that kind of reflects on how we think about ourselves and humanity.  If someone does something bad, they’re completely unredeemable.  They can’t ever transcend what they did or they can never be forgiven.

Parthenia:  And you know, Kim, from my standpoint, as a teacher, in teaching the hero’s journey; one of the things that I always taught was this flat-line with the villain and the villain is the same at the beginning of the story as at the end.  It’s one dimensional.  The hero has this arc, where the hero actually is different at the end of the story than at the beginning.  And Maleficent, in this story, she’s totally different at the end.  She even says: I’m not the villain or the hero anymore.  I’m both.

Vanessa:Yeah.

Kim Michaels:  I would think that one of the things that should happen with story-telling is that, as we begin to go further and further in our collective evolution; we start to get away from this black and white.  Because this is the typical outcome of the epic drama, that black and white thinking, either totally bad or totally good.  And I think that, rather than focusing on producing a certain outer result in the story; we will actually have stories where the story is the transformation of the people.  Where both the hero might be transformed and become more nuanced and more sensitive and we might actually see villains that stop being villains and realize their humanity.

Vanessa:I like that.

(More discussion about the movie. Then, facebook experimenting with people’s emotions and getting blasted by mainstream journalists.)

Parthenia:  … But, was hopeful to me about this is that mainstream media was actually putting facebook on blast about what they were doing, because facebook is so powerful.  So, I don’t know, Kim, if you look at those kinds of signs of hope, but I have to look for hope wherever I can find it.

Kim Michaels:  Certainly, I do.  You were talking earlier about how we achieve peace of mind.  And what I wanted to say about that is that, for me, one of the really important keys to freeing myself from the epic mindset was to realize that the purpose of this planet is not to produce a certain physical result.  Because the entire purpose of this planet is actually our transformation of consciousness.

Vanessa:Ummm.

Parthenia:OK.  People don’t get that.  Right?

Kim Michaels:  No.  I know they don’t.  And I didn’t for many, many years, either.  The first, probably, 25 years that I was on the spiritual path; the spiritual path was, for me, just a validation of my epic drama and some of my personal dramas.

Vanessa:Ummm.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:  And it was really a major shock to me when I one day, suddenly — it was like the scales fell from my eyes — and I saw I had just been justifying my personal dramas and my epic dramas with the spiritual path.  And it forced me to kind of rethink.  And the only way that I could actually free myself from the epic mindset and gain some peace of mind, was to realize this.  It isn’t the outer result that matters, it is only the transformation of consciousness that matters.

Parthenia:Which is an inward process, correct?

Kim Michaels:  Yeah, entirely.  In other words, I don’t have to change anybody else, in order to change my own consciousness.  And I’m not here — God did not sit up there in heaven and say: Kim Michaels, you go down and fix the problems on earth.  I was never authorized to do that.

Vanessa:Wow!

Parthenia:(Laughter.)

Kim Michaels:  What God did say: You go, Kim Michaels, you go down on earth and fix your own problems, fix your own psychology.

Parthenia:(Laughter.)

Kim Michaels:  And that is my only job.  That’s the only reason why I’m here.

Vanessa:Wow!

Kim Michaels:  Well.  Then, I’m here, also when I have fixed my own psychology, get out of the way to be an open door for my higher self.  And that’s the potential we all have.  But, we first have to get out of our own way, so that our higher self can work through us, without having all these ego dramas that the energy is filtered into.  You can actually use spiritual energy to justify these epic dramas.

Parthenia:Of course.

Kim Michaels:  And that’s not a very good place to be.

Parthenia:I know that my Mother would always say and I would tell my students —she would say: “If we spent six months minding our own business and then six months leaving everybody else’s business alone -” 

Kim Michaels:  (Laughter.)  That’d be a good division of labor.  Yeah.

Parthenia:Right?  Right?  We could really take care of the things that are important in our lives.  And I’ve noticed with people close around me, that one way to avoiding fixing your stuff is to focus on everybody else’s faults in your family and people that you work with.

Vanessa:Um-hum.  Yeah.

Parthenia:That scripture about taking the beam out of your own eye, Kim.

Kim Michaels:  Oh.  Exactly.

Parthenia:In the epic dramas, one of the things that you pointed out about the dividing line between people who are teachable on the spiritual path, and people who are not; is that they really cannot see their mental boxes and how it affects their vision of everything.  And they really need like a spiritual teacher, who’s already beyond those mental boxes to point out their mental boxes.  But, if they’re closed, then they can’t grow.  And I see that on the spiritual path when people are progressing and they get to a certain point and they’re like:  “Uh!  Got it!  I’m there!  I have arrived.”  And nobody can tell them anything and then, they stop growing.  And you point out, that’s the second law of thermodynamics kicks in where if you don’t keep growing, you’re going to — How do you explain it, the second law of thermodynamics?

Kim Michaels:  Yes, something’s going to break down your sense of equilibrium.  And I was exactly at that point, some years ago, with my spiritual path where I thought — I didn’t think I knew everything, but I thought I had the basics of spirituality.  I had that figured out.  And it took some really humbling experiences to realize that there was much more to know.  And now I’m trying to keep in my mind that there’s always going to be more to know.  You’re never going to know it all.  And you constantly, like you said, you need to transcend yourself; or you’re going to stagnate.  And it’s really a danger on the spiritual path, I think.  And I think these ego books are very, very good.  I’m glad to hear what you are saying, that you saw things you had never heard before.  Because until you become aware that there is a problem, you can’t, like you said, you can’t see it.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:  It’s totally hidden from you.  And the first step toward getting over it is to see it and see what it is.

Parthenia:Well, and, also, to be able to know that you need a teacher.  … {41:00} And I’ve been so grateful and blessed that my daughter found your teachings, that were way more advanced than the other teachings that I had, so that I could continue to grow.  And I feel very, very blessed to have you on the show, as I’ve been dealing with my epic dramas.  And you’ve been very, very patient with me, working through the epic dramas.  Because, if we don’t have that, it’s very, very difficult — I mean, it’s literally impossible for us to see that beam in our own eye.  We need somebody to point it out.  Vanessa was going to say something.

Vanessa:Yeah.  I completely agree.  We were having a conversation like two weeks ago?  And you were trying to point out to me my ego.  And I was: “No.  No”

Parthenia:I got that.

Vanessa:And I was trying to explain that’s not how it is.  The next morning I was like: “OK.  Am I wrong here?  Let me see.”  I woke up and I was like: “Oh, wow.  She was so right.”  I could not see it at all.

Parthenia:Yeah.  We can’t.  It’s just impossible.  And you have to get to a point where there is at least one person in your life, where you at least give them the benefit of a doubt, that maybe that person might have a point.  And you’re willing to always check yourself, to put yourself in check.  And I don’t think that we’ll really ever reach a point — I know you point out in the book, and I find this to be true, that once you graduate from an earthly teacher; you gotta go within to your own built in teacher that is your connection to your I Am Presence and the ascended masters, who are there to help us gain higher insights.  And that’s something that literally has been kept hidden from us, that we have these ascended masters, at least most of the religions teach — Christianity teaches that there’s Jesus and Mother Mary, but they don’t teach that they are living teachers that we can connect with.

Vanessa:That’s unfortunate.

Parthenia:It’s very, very unfortunate.

Kim Michaels:  And that’s because most religions actually perpetrate the dramas.

Parthenia:Exactly.  OK, so, you are listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN.  I am your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant.  And I’m interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels, about his book, Freedom from Ego Dramas, which, really, you need to go out and get it.  Even if you don’t know that you’re a drama king or queen, I’m sure you know somebody else who is one, who is working your last nerve.  (Laughter.)  We’ll be back with more after commercial break.

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Parthenia:OK.  We’re back, wrapping this up on Divine Love Talk.  I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant.  And I’m interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels, about his book, Freedom from Ego Dramas.  Kim, I’d like to end on the note about what our personal responsibility is.  And this is a quote from book that says: “It is my responsibility to keep my mind and heart open to the teacher by being willing to question everything.  It is my responsibility to continually purify my mind of all dualistic illusions, even the most subtle ones that seem like absolute truth.  What I am not willing to question becomes my prison.”  And I totally get that.  Vanessa, what’s your reaction to it?

Vanessa:Oh, yeah.  I do get that, because I think questioning yourself is the key.  Because, if I never really ask the question; then I don’t think I would have ever gotten the answers I needed when I was in my ego.  Because I could have just said: “No.  I’m undoubtedly right about this.”

Parthenia:Exactly.  You’re absolutely right.  (Laughter.)

Vanessa:And I believed I was.

Parthenia:And you can be right.  And the other person can be right.  And there’s somewhere in the middle that you can be.

Vanessa:Yeah.

Parthenia:And isn’t it so much easier not to be at odds with having to make a point?

Vanessa:Yeah.  And that constant struggle.

Parthenia:It’s exhausting.

Vanessa:Yeah.  I get that way with my Mom and there’s no need.  It escalates into fights.  Well, the reason why I get into a fight is because I am being reactive.

Parthenia:Exactly.

Vanessa:So.

Parthenia:So, Kim, I can’t thank you enough for this information and I am going to say today: “This Freedom from Ego Dramas is absolutely the most important book I have ever read in my journey, in my personal journey.

Vanessa:Absolutely.

Parthenia:It has just brought it all home for me and given me new insights and new inspiration and new hope for myself.  (Laughter.)

Vanessa:Yeah.

Parthenia:Because that’s what’s important.  So, Kim, what would you like to close the show on?

Kim Michaels:  Well, I think I would like to just acknowledge that all of these teachings that I have received are not coming from me or from my mind.  But, I’m very grateful to the ascended masters for giving these teachings through me.  I mean, it has been so liberating for me to receive these teachings.  It’s almost like when you teach is when you truly learn.

Parthenia:Yes.

Kim Michaels:  And by being in this position, giving these teachings; I really have to stretch my mind, also, way beyond what I ever would have done otherwise.  And I totally understand what Vanessa is saying where you just don’t see your ego unless there is something that really almost forces you to look in a different way.  And we have to be grateful for those people and those circumstances that actually force us to see what the ego doesn’t want us to see.

Parthenia:Well.  You’re on the money.  And Vanessa and I were talking about why I think that that book, The Alchemist, by Paulo Coelho is so important; because it talks about always looking out for the signs.  He calls it the omens.  And they could come in the form of an ant, like Buddha said.  Or a book, like your books.  But, I am very grateful for you humility and your willingness to constantly be this open door for the light.  And I just want you to keep writing them and keep them coming; because I really need them.  I know that there are thousands and, probably, millions of other people out there who are direly in need of this information. …

 

 

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