The Mystical Initiations of Love, Part 1

 

February 2, 2015 Divine Love Talk

Host: Dr. Parthenia Grant

Co-host: Kim Michaels

Topics: Kim’s book, The Mystical Initiations of Love. Love beyond the personal and beyond the human. Not expecting the perfect person. Getting more balanced regarding sexuality.

Parthenia:OK. I’m excited to be back today on Divine Love Talk with my co-host Kim Michaels, where we will be discussing his new book, The Mystical Initiations of Love. (Amazon paperback or Kindle) Welcome, Kim Michaels.

Kim Michaels:Thank you.

Parthenia:OK. With Valentine’s Day right around the corner, Kim, I think that this was a perfect time for you to release this new book. Especially, with 2015 being the year of love. So, is the e-book going to be released this week?

Kim Michaels:Yeah. It will be ready within 24 hours.

Parthenia:Wonderful. I can’t recommend the book enough. It actually confirmed a lot of things that I intuitively have known and felt since I was an adolescent about love. And to have my thoughts and feelings confirmed; it was a beautiful affirmation. So, today, we’re going to be answering a few questions that I thought were important to address in your book. Such as, is love really all we need to get by? We’ve all heard that expression, but we’ll be talking about that today. And I also found it very fascinating, Kim, the discussion in the book about whether or not the free love movement of the ‘60s imposed a new form of tyranny on women, while serving to benefit men.

Kim Michaels:Right.

Parthenia:I think that’s an excellent question to discuss. And another question that was brought up was concerning whether sex is synonymous with love. And certainly Hollywood promotes that concept. And another question was regarding whether or not sexual intercourse was responsible for the fall from grace. I’ve definitely heard of that one.

Kim Michaels:Right.

Parthenia:And another one I thought was very interesting was whether it was possible to engage in a relationship with a partner without creating karma. I really want to go over that one. So, I’m excited to have you guys join us today so that we can discuss some of these questions and others that will probably come up during the discussion. So, Kim, let’s just start with the first one. Is love really all that we need to get by?

Kim Michaels:No, obviously not. (Parthenia laughs.) There are seven spiritual rays and we need all of them.

Parthenia:OK.

Kim Michaels:And that’s why the book has seven main chapters that actually talk about love from seven different angles.

Parthenia:Yes. But, at the same time where would you put love among all seven of them. Since love is something that we just talk about, sing about endlessly. And it’s the one thing that we just can’t seem to find or get enough of or even receive.

Kim Michaels:Love is very important. It’s kind of a foundation for all of the other rays in a sense because that’s what drives us to always transcend ourselves and go on. What has happened to us is that love has been limited so that we think it’s all this personal love.

Parthenia:Um-hum. 

Kim Michaels:But, that’s not what we really need because there is a love that is beyond what we can get from another human being and that’s what we get from our higher selves. And without that you are never going to get enough love from another human being. And that’s one of the main problems in relationships. People simply expect the impossible from their partner.

Parthenia:I agree 100%. And you know it is really promoted by the cultural paradigm to look for someone else to fulfill that part of you that feels empty or that feels that something is missing in your life. And I’ve always said that when you have half of a person looking for the other half of him or herself in another person, and then they meet another person, who is looking for the other half of him or herself that’s missing; what you have is two half people trying to create a whole. And it doesn’t create a whole. It just creates two half people that are half (empty?)

Kim Michaels:That’s a very good way to put it and I think that’s one of the main things that is addressed in the book is when you have a spiritual perspective on life; you kind of realize that. The spiritual path is really an individual path and you need to work out your relationship with your higher self before you can actually really have a complete relationship with other people. And that’s why you can get rid of all these expectations that I was talking about. Because really, like you said, Hollywood programs us to think that this is the ultimate bliss is to find the right person. And so, we are always looking for this right person. But, obviously, nobody could ever life up to these expectations. And that right there sets the stage for a lot of relationship problems.

Parthenia: Dramas and expectations

Kim Michaels:Like you said, they’re two half people. They are going to be disappointed. There’s no question about it. I’ve never been in a relationship. I’ve never seen a relationship where there didn’t come a point where the honeymoon was over. And you had to deal with the fact that your expectations of the other person were just unrealistic. And so, the question is: Can you get over that without blaming the other person? And just realize that you just need to take these expectations and wrap them into a tight ball and throw them into the nearest trashcan because they are unrealistic to begin with.

Parthenia:I agree. And this whole blame game in relationships when things don’t work out; I have always found that to be pretty absurd and ridiculous. And certainly, I’ve gone through that at younger stages of my life, where I had to realize very early on that I could not blame my partner for my feelings of emptiness or my neediness at that particular time. I intuited that I needed to work on myself so that I could be a whole person in that relationship. And there’s a tendency to just give too much of yourself away in a relationship and for the other person to expect way too much of you, once you get in that relationship. And that’s a disaster. That’s a shipwreck that’s just waiting.

Kim Michaels:But, that’s because we were programmed like that and we didn’t know any better.

Parthenia:We’re just not being taught very well. And it seems like our —

Kim Michaels:Yes. We’ll meet that perfect person out there that suddenly will fulfill all of your needs, even needs you didn’t know you had. And it’s just an unrealistic expectation to begin with.

Parthenia: We’re still teaching these same values and expectations to our children. When you look around at the dismal success rate of relationships today, I think that that’s an indicator that we’re not doing something right and that perhaps we might want to look at a new paradigm or create a new world view. I’m not saying you’ve got to throw the baby out with the bath water, but it’s certainly time to reassess the old paradigm that we’ve been living under with relationships. And your book, The Mystical Initiations of Love, certainly addresses a lot of the problems in a very practical and pragmatic way that just make perfect sense.

Kim Michaels:One of the things that it does talk about is that for thousands of years on earth the relationship between men and women has been really unbalanced. And that in the new age that we’re moving into, we need to find an entirely new relationship between the two sexes. The book doesn’t spell it out in every little detail how that should be. I don’t know exactly how it should be, but it’s something we, together, will discover.

Parthenia:Um-hum.

Kim Michaels:But, in order to do that, we have to look at the old and throw that way. And one of the really big things we need to look at is what you mentioned before, the whole idea that women are inferior to men and that women are to blame for the fall of man.

Parthenia:Right. (Laughter.) And I found something very interesting in the book, where — And I’ve used this in my discourses on campus and talking about relationships. — A point was made about men having been unwilling to control their own sex drive and in that unwillingness, this has caused them to blame women for their unwillingness to control their sex drive. And so, they will blame it on women being a temptress. And I always found it ironic that women let, well allow, that paradigm to persist. You see it in the news a lot that: Oh that woman deserved to be raped because of the way she was dressed.

Kim Michaels:That’s amazing, isn’t it?

Parthenia:Yeah. She shouldn’t have been out at night. If she hadn’t out at night, then she put herself in that predicament. And men on campus, young kids were supporting that paradigm. And I would look at the guys and say: OK, but what does that say about you, the fact that you believe that? And women, what does that say about you, that you think that this is OK to hold on to that kind of belief? To make someone else responsible for your bad behavior or your lack of control?

Kim Michaels:Yeah. I think part of that problem is really that both men and women are not standing up and saying: We don’t want to be programmed with all of this stuff we get from advertising and the media about sex, sex all the time, because both men and women actually become victims of that. Because young boys grow up to think — I mean, they all have hormonal issues. We all have it at a certain age.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:And young boys are just fed this thing that you’re supposed to have sex all the time.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:And that only makes it worse. But, at the same time, the women are also fed this: You have to look a certain way. You have to dress a certain way. Otherwise, you are nobody. And how is that ever going to lead to deeper, meaningful, relationships at that age?

Parthenia:Yeah. Because it’s totally superficial. And this whole issue about sex being synonymous with love; I think that that’s really important to talk about because there doesn’t seem to be any clear distinction when you look at the movies or the commercials or the media. There’s this concept that sex is synonymous with love. And you’ve gotta have common sense and know that there is no real truth in that. That sex cannot be synonymous with love when you see what’s happening in relationships today.

Kim Michaels:I agree with you. And one of the points that is made in the book is it actually addresses the problem that many of us who are spiritual people, we want to grow as quickly as possible. And that might very well mean that we meet many people throughout our lifetime that we feel a certain attraction to. And often that is because we have karma to work out with these people from past lives.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:And so, what the book says is that you can’t allow yourself to think that every time you feel an attraction to another person, you have to have a sexual relationship with them.

Parthenia:Right. (Laughs.)

Kim Michaels:Because it just becomes too much and unwieldy. And so, that’s why it says that you have to separate that. So that you don’t think that if you love somebody or feel an attraction to somebody, it has to be taken out through that sexual relationship.

Parthenia:I just thought that that was absurd. I have two very, very close male friends that I’ve been friends with for a decade or two. And there seemed to be this feeling on their part that because they were sexually attracted to me, that I was supposed to be sexually attracted to them. And it’s not synonymous. So, after the commercial break, I’d like to continue this discussion about sex being synonymous with love. You are listening to Divine Love Talk. I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant. I’m interviewing my co-host, Kim Michaels, about his new book, The Mystical Initiations of Love. This is the year of love, 2015. We’ll be right back with more on Divine Love Talk after commercial break. 

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Parthenia:OK. We’re back with more of Divine Love Talk, where I’m interviewing co-host, Kim Michaels, about his new book, The Mystical Initiations of Love. The e-book will be released by tomorrow. So, look for it on Amazon. I think this book addresses a lot of current and very relevant issues that couples and individuals are experiencing, as we have now officially entered the Age of Aquarius, where relationships really need a facelift, I think. So, Kim, I wanted to continue this discussion on whether or not sex was synonymous with love. And it reminded me of this quote that women will give sex in exchange for love and men will tell women that they love them in exchange for sex. And when you look at the dynamics of how sex is promoted as a be all and end all and the disconnect there between the way that men view it and the way that women view it. There’s a huge chasm there that needs to be bridged.

Kim Michaels:Yes. I do agree with that. That’s not something the book addresses a whole lot, just that topic; but it does talk about it in other ways. But, I agree with you. There is a very big difference between how men and women even look at sex. And I think that’s the cause of a lot of relationship issues.

Parthenia:What do you think in terms of bridging this concept that we have where women, in general, seem to still have this heart connection and love connection with sex; whereas, somewhere in patriarchy there was this disconnect with men and their heart in that act? Whereas, Arianna Huffington pointed out in one of her books that to know someone meant to have sexual relationships with them and that the mere act of consummating that relationship with the sexual act was the actual marriage. And even the movie, Avatar, when the couple got together, that was the marriage. …

Kim Michaels:Yes, even in the Bible, there is the expression that so and so knew his wife and she conceived a child. So, that goes very far back. But, I think that’s one of the really big topics that needs to be discussed in the new age because I think there’s partially some biological programming here that we men need to look at and actually overcome, so that we don’t act like our biological programming; because we can be better than that. But, I agree with you that there needs to be a whole discussion about the link between emotions and sex. And my book, here, talks about how you can’t think you should have a sexual relationship with everyone you feel deeper feelings for.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:But, of course, I know very well that men could take that to the other extreme and say: “Well, if we disconnect sex from love, that means you could have sex with anybody you want.” (Parthenia laughs.) And that is a certain dream of a certain type of men, but I don’t think it is for most who are spiritually open. You realize that the whole dream of the free love and free sex movement just doesn’t really appeal to that many spiritual people anymore because it was so costly, energetically.

Parthenia:Let’s talk about that, as well. Because I intuitively knew, growing up and coming of age in the ‘60s, that there was something that if you gave yourself over to someone else; I knew that there was an energetic tie and connection that I just didn’t want to make with a lot of people.

Kim Michaels:Right.

Parthenia:It’s sort of just thrown by the wayside, or just totally forgotten, that you cannot have — and sex is about intimate as you can get with a person — you cannot have that kind of intimate contact with someone and not get some kind of energetic tie from that person. So, once we come back from commercial break, I think that that’s an important topic to look at is the energetic release and ties that we create every time that we are intimate with someone else. You are listening to Divine Love Talk. I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant. And I’m speaking with my co-host, Kim Michaels, about his new book, The Mystical Initiations of Love.

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Parthenia:OK. We’re back. We’re talking about Kim Michaels’ new book, The Mystical Initiations of Love. You’re listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN and I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant. Kim, we were talking about the disconnect, before commercial break, with the heart and sexual intimacy. And Eric, our engineer, Eric, and I were having a discussion about that. He’s a lot younger than you and I, but I was very encouraged by the comment that you made, Eric, if you could share it.

Eric: Well, yeah, Dr. Grant. And hello Kim Michaels.

Kim Michaels:Hi.

Eric: The one observation I’ve made throughout my life is that for people that are able to disconnect from the heart, when it comes to sexual intimacy with a partner; they also tend to disconnect from other aspects of life, as well. Connecting with their family and children and stuff like that.

Parthenia:And I’ve seen that a lot myself where if you can be insensitive in one area, it just kind of spills over in all other areas with animals and children. And that is something that I think is crucial to address. And even though you see it more with men, women because of the whole free love movement in the ‘60s, a lot of women became honorary men and just decided: “Well, if men can disconnect and not have a heart connection in a relationship, then I can do the same thing.” And ended up calling them honorary men. But, even when I’ve talked to some of these young women, who have gotten to that point; they will admit that they feel very empty and they feel very sad and very unfulfilled in those relationships where their heart is not connected.

Kim Michaels:Yes. And I think a lot of that also has to do with the advertising industry and movies and how they portray sex as an act that is disconnected from love. And I think we are programmed to do that. And you were talking about before about the energy exchange and what happens is that when you have intercourse, your chakras are aligned. And that means that there is going to be an energy exchange. And many people may not notice this because they’re not sensitive enough. But, anyone who is sensitive to energy, like you and I have always been; we notice that there is that. And you can either be depleted of energy or you can have positive energy.

Parthenia:Exactly. It should not deplete you.

Kim Michaels:I think that if the sexual act is disconnected from deeper feelings; then it will deplete you.

Parthenia:Of course. But I’m saying — I don’t it was designed to deplete us.

Kim Michaels:No. It’s actually interesting. Last week I watched a BBC program about the history of sex and love.

Parthenia:I saw that.

Kim Michaels:You saw that, as well. OK. So, I thought it was very interesting that they said in pre-Christian societies, like Egypt, for example; they saw equality between the sexes because they saw God as having male and female qualities.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:And that that had totally changed after the mono-theistic societies came in because now we had an all-male God. And all of a sudden, women were not seen as equals. I don’t know if that’s entirely historically accurate, but I think it was a very interesting thought.

Parthenia:Historically, because I’ve done a lot of work on the history of the destruction of the goddess civilizations – and there is evidence that supports a lot of civilizations did honor both sexes equally. And Christianity did a great dis-service to women and you certainly can’t blame Christ for that because that had nothing to do with his teachings about women.

Kim Michaels:No. His teachings were hi-jacked for political purposes, like we talked about before. And that was what also affected the view of women.

Parthenia:Yeah. Because his teachings were certainly not about putting women down. If you look at just the story about he who is free of sin, let him cast the first stone; when they wanted to stone the prostitute.

Kim Michaels:Right.

Parthenia:But, I did like, I thought it was fascinating, the whole point about whether the whole free love movement of ‘60s imposed a new form of tyranny on woman, while serving to benefit men. I’d like for you to go into that a little bit because I thought that was pretty radical, but quite true.

Kim Michaels:Given what we just talked about, about the connection between sex and deeper emotions. It’s obvious women have a much stronger connection between the two than men do. So, the free love movement, which in practicality meant free sex, was really the men’s dream, more than the women’s. And then, I think what happened was that as women in other areas of society started gaining more equality and there was more talk about women’s liberation; then, some women felt that if men can have sex with anybody they want, then we should be able to, also. And then, I think women did themselves a disservice by disconnecting deeper feelings from sexuality.

Parthenia:I agree. And we’re definitely paying the price today in terms of our relationships not working out. So again, I’m gonna say we do need to rethink this paradigm and start looking at relationships from an authentic perspective, rather than these cat and mouse games that are being played out almost like a program. The cat go chase the mouse and then, once you got the mouse, you just play with it. And then, when you’re done playing with it; you just throw it away. And we’re not set up that way, as human beings, to relate to that game.

Kim Michaels:One of the really important issues that was talked about in the book is communication between men and women. Or any kind partners in any kind of relationship. But especially, men and women. And I agree with you. There has been such a cat and mouse game that has prevented men and women from talking openly about many issues. And it’s actually amazing to see. I think back at my parent’s generation and some of the things that you and I have been talking about just on this program, so far. My parents would have been shocked that we would sit and talk about this on the radio.

Parthenia:Exactly.

Kim Michaels:And maybe there are still people that are shocked, but why can’t we talk openly about things? Because the fact of the matter is after the 1960’s, we have gotten sex out of the bedroom and splashed all over the place, of course, in movies.

Parthenia:Exactly.

Kim Michaels:So, why can’t we talk openly about it, also? That’s the difficult thing.

Parthenia:What’s interesting is it’s OK to talk about it in the patriarchal mode, the domination mode. But when you talk about it in a loving, caring kind of sense; there seems to be an issue or problem with that. Because we’re asking people to look at their paradigm and examine their unexamined beliefs and assumptions, and that puts responsibility on the individual; versus blame. And we really need to move out of the blame game and look at what do I really want in a relationship and stop settling for what you don’t want. I think women basically want a heart connection. And Eric, would you say that for men; that that is true, as well, that men are looking for a heart connection in relationships?

Eric: Yeah. I can only speak for myself, but in my group of guys; I would say yes. I would say honestly the heart of it, no pun intended; that’s really what men are looking for for long term partners. Absolutely.

Parthenia:And would you say there’s a possibility that they just don’t know that that is a source of the dissatisfaction in their lives or in their relationships, that they’re looking literally for love in all the wrong places?

Eric Well, I kind of think about football when I think about this. A guy is brought up in a football family and everyone loves football and every year they watch the Super Bowl and put on their hats and their jerseys. But, one day that guy decides that he doesn’t like football.

Parthenia:(Laughs.) He’s a pariah.

Eric That’s right. And how hard it is for him to find expression for the way he feels in an environment of people that are football fans. That’s kind of the way it is.

Parthenia:Oh, wow! That’s — with the Super Bowl just being over, that was a perfect analogy. Kim, what are your thoughts?

Kim Michaels:I agree with Eric. And I think that’s a really good point. You mentioned before, Parthenia, how you, even as a young girl, had a sense that there should be a deeper spiritual or emotional connection and sex shouldn’t be disconnected from that. And I remember back when I was a teenager. I can vaguely remember when I was a teenager. I had the same inner feeling. But because of this inner programming you receive from the outside and the other people, I was starting to think that I was abnormal because I was 18 and I hadn’t had sex.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:And I thought I must be weird. Today, I might have been afraid I was gay; but that wasn’t talked about back then. That’s how long ago I was a teenager. (Parthenia laughs.) So, you started feeling a certain pressure. You were supposed to have something. And I think a lot of young men, especially feel this. And probably a lot of young women, too. And so, that’s how you end up having these first sexual experiences, where there is no deeper connection. You just sort of want to get it over with and lose your virginity. And that’s not really a good way to start, is it?

Parthenia:No, not at all. And the problem, again, goes back to this conspiracy of silence and not really talking openly about sex with your kids and taking the mystery out of it and the darkness out of it and making it normal. Because this is how we all got here. And when you make it a dirty little secret, then you are perverting that energy. And so, I think when you can talk about things in an open, healthy context; then you can start to heal the problem.

Kim Michaels:And it is really very peculiar with sex. You see it on movies and TV shows. You see it in advertising. But, people can’t still talk openly about it. And I do think there’s a little of a cultural difference because in Europe people are probably a little more open than in the United States.

Parthenia:Right.

Kim Michaels:I noticed a number of years ago, after I moved to the United States, I actually said one time, and it really made people look. I said: Do Americans always have sex with their clothes on? (Parthenia laughs outright.) Because when you see it an American movie, they are under the covers. They are making certain noises and certain movements so we can’t fail to know what they are doing. All of a sudden one of them throws the blanket aside, jumps out bed and he is wearing his underwear. (Parthenia laughs.) And that’s what you see in American movies. You don’t see that in European movies. If they show sex, they show them naked. But, that is a cultural difference. And it actually, to me, shows something about American society not being as free to talk about it.

Parthenia:I think that during that time period you’re talking about that was true. But, today, they’re a lot more open about it; which that’s probably progress, in and of itself. But, we do need more candid, open, comfortable, conversations about this to normalize it and to heal it. Now, before — I want to make sure that we cover this question. Was sexual intercourse responsible for the fall from grace? Because I’ve seen this in eastern teachings. I’ve seen it in western teachings. And I definitely want to address that one, Kim.

Kim Michaels:The ascended masters say very definitely: No. And the reason why they say that is actually they have a whole teaching that the fall to a lower state of consciousness didn’t actually happen on earth. It actually — It didn’t even happen in our universe. — It happened in a previous universe that existed before ours. And in that universe the energies were at a higher level of vibration and they didn’t even have physical bodies like we have. They weren’t as dense. So, no, that’s not the case. The fall was caused by certain people rebelling against God’s plan for the universe. That’s actually something I talk about in depth in another book called, Cosmology of Evil, that came out not very long ago.

Parthenia:Oh yeah. I’ve got to get that one. That looks pretty fascinating because I’ve always been fascinated about the existence of evil on the planet. So, I want to recommend that book. But, we’ll get to that, I’m sure, after this one. And this book covers so many relevant topics, Kim. We’re just kind of skimming the surface today. But, I also picked up from the book that the fall from grace was basically not wanting — this group of fallen beings not wanting to take responsibility for their actions. They did not want consequences for whatever they did. Is that correct?

Kim Michaels:Yeah. That’s part of it. They rebelled against the whole issue of free will.

Parthenia:For everyone, except themselves.

Kim Michaels:Yeah, in a sense. But also, like you said, they didn’t actually want to take responsibility for the fact that they had free will and therefore, they were responsible for their salvation. They wanted to have some sort of mechanical way so that they could say: God, I have followed these prescripts of this religion; so you have to take me into heaven. And the reality of the law of free will says is that if you haven’t transformed your state of consciousness, you cannot enter. It’s not a matter of the outer actions you perform. It’s your state of consciousness.

Parthenia:Right. OK. I wanted to make sure that we cleared that up. Now, let’s go onto the other question about whether it’s possible to engage in a relationship with a partner without creating karma. That’s a pretty interesting concept. Can we do that? Can we engage in a relationship with creating karma?

Kim Michaels:Yes. I think so, if you are conscious of it. You know what karma is. You understand reincarnation and you understand a lot of the concepts that are talked about in the book. First of all, that there is actually a purpose for your relationship that has nothing to do with living happily ever after on earth. And the purpose reaches beyond even this lifetime because it’s a matter of your spiritual growth. And so, if you realize that you have attracted a certain partner to you, not because that partner is going to make you happy; but because that partner is going to get you to react so that you can see what unresolved psychology you have.

Parthenia:OK. After commercial break, we will wrap this up on Kim’s book, The Mystical Initiations of Love. And I’m very excited about the book coming out in hard cover, so I can read it again. I’ve been listening to the audio files. You’re listening to Divine Love Talk on CRN. I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant. And we’ll see you after commercial break.

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Parthenia:OK. We’re wrapping this up on CRN in our discussion of Kim Michaels’ book, The Mystical Initiations of Love. The e-book will be released tomorrow. Kim, I’d like to point out — and I totally agreed with the book —that said that staying in a bad relationship is not an indicator of success because there’s karma that we need to work out in a relationship. And once we have balanced that karma, there’s often no need to stay in that relationship; unless there is some kind of compelling reason to stay there. And I’ve always agreed that staying in a bad relationship is not an indicator of a successful relationship.

Kim Michaels:No. And I think that’s something that, especially in our parents’ generation, you kind of had the concept that marriage was for life and it had to be for life. And that made a lot of people stay together in a way that they sort of worked out a —

Parthenia:Compromise.

Kim Michaels:Peaceful co-existence. The cease of hostility because they figured out how to live together without pushing each other’s buttons. But, that didn’t mean they grew from that. They didn’t really grow from it spiritually.

Parthenia:So, what would you say from the book is the purpose of relationships today, when we’re talking about healthy relationships?

Kim Michaels:It really is to grow. But, the book also makes a distinction between dead relationships and creative relationships, where the two people — you come together and you are more together than each of you could be alone. So, the whole is more than the sum of the parts. And that’s a creative relationship. And that actually goes back to what we talked about earlier, before the Christian era, where they had the equality between men and women. Because back then, they realized that when a man and a woman comes together, they can create something new by their interactions.

Parthenia:Right. And coming together and making a commitment that you are going to have children and raise them together is a wonderful commitment that I think is missing in a lot of relationships today. And the kids are getting thrown by the wayside. So, I do believe that we have an obligation when you come together in a relationship and you have children to be committed to raising those children. Sometimes you can’t stay together and raise them. But, when you divorce a person; you’re not supposed to divorce the child.

Kim Michaels:I think that in the coming age people will become more and more conscious of relationships and I think it will become more and more rare that people have children that are not planned. And I think that on a voluntary basis people will actually come together, they will have lived together maybe for several years so that they know each other; and then, they will decide to have children. And then, they will enter a voluntary contract that says: We will do everything possible to stay together and give our children the best possible environment to grow up in. And I also think that society will make a lot of educational things available to parents to help them stay together, to help them understand how to raise children because what needs to be seen is that children are an incredible resource for society. And we either let them be brought up to become drug addicts and alcoholics or we take charge and bring them up to become constructive citizens.

Parthenia:That is the perfect way to end the show today. Thank you for joining us on Divine Love Talk. I’m your host, Dr. Parthenia Grant. Check out Kim’s book, The Mystical Initiations of Love. Thank you, Kim Michaels, for joining us.

Kim Michaels:Thank you.

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NEW BOOK about stopping poverty

October 21-st 2016
Help Saint Germain Stop Poverty If you are concerned about the issue of poverty and open to a spiritual solution, this book gives you powerful knowledge and practical tools for making an effort to...

NEW BOOK about the initiations of purity

October 21-st 2016
The Mystical Initiations of Intention Learn how to purify your intentions from fear and discover your original motivation for coming...

NEW BOOK about stopping war

October 21-st 2016
Help the Ascended Masters Stop War Direct revelation from Mother Mary about the spiritual causes of war with 13 invocations for stopping...
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