Seeds of Peace

April 15, 2013 Divine Love Talk

Guest: Rev. Ruth Broyde Sharone, co-chair of the Southern California Committee for a Parliament of the World's Religions

Topics: promotes the upcoming event Seeds of Peace which endeavors to combine social activism and the practice of meditation.

For more information on Seeds of Peace, visit

Parthenia:Kim, now with you being our expert on ego and spirituality, I wanted you to just have a word about meditation and the benefits from a spiritual perspective.

Kim Michaels:  The biggest benefit that I see is that we can have these experiences during meditation, and in other spiritual context, where we experience something that really is unconditional, we can’t put words on it.  And I think that experience is what unites all true mystics.  Because, really, I feel that if we are ever to build a bridge between religions, it will have to be done by those who have mystical inclinations.  And that’s really people who have had that experience of the unconditional, something that’s beyond words that we can’t even – we can’t really do what the ego loves to do, put words on it that divides us from other people.  But when you have that inner experience, that is really the bridge between all kinds of spiritual people.

Ruth: So Kim, I have to say this.  I’m just bursting ‘cause there is a story that I tell which is exactly what you just mentioned now.  All the ascended masters, all the great mystics of the world get together for a conference and they all assemble in a grand ballroom.  And do you know what they say?  


Ruth: Ahuh.  And they don’t have to say anything else, because they all get it.

Kim Michaels:  Well there is also a story that I heard from an Indian guru one time.  And the question was: if two enlightened people met, what would they do?  And he said they would smile and move on.

(list workshops at Seeds of Peace)


Ruth: …People into meditation are more reclusive and they don’t go out into the world, yet they have all this divine, magnificent understanding about the world.  And a lot of things in the world need to be repaired.  And then we find social activists, who are very engaged in doing grass roots work, but many of them are angry and enraged.  And so the question is: how do we merge the inner and outer peace?  How do we take the divine source and let it form our lives in such a way that we get to work in the world and correct the wrongs that we see?

Parthenia:Now, I’d like to bring Kim in on the discussion, because Kim, I am so excited about your Song of Life book and the invocations and the exercises.  And there is a unique perspective that the ascended masters have about affecting world change from inside out.  And I’d like for you to elaborate on that.

Kim Michaels:  Well, I think it’s a really important point that Ruth was just bringing up, that many of the people who are active and doing something about the world often do it with this kind of anger, or they are very upset about things.  And the problem with that is that when we are upset about things; we always tend to project that there has to be somebody who is at fault.  And if we can just change them, then we can solve the problem.  And what the ascended masters do is they say: take a different approach.  First look at yourself, first look in the mirror, and go within and find peace inside yourself.  And then go out based on that peace.  And I think that was great what you said there.  If you could combine the best of the meditators, who you are perfectly right, they are often very passive.  

Ruth: Well it’s interesting, because these two communities have never met before.  We call it oil and water communities.  And so our group prides itself on creating innovative encounters and bringing communities together, that have never met before, to interface, to dialogue and to get to know one another.  Because the truth is we need what they both have to offer.

Parthenia:And Kim, I know the ascended masters speak a lot about the need for balance, to move into equilibrium.  And it looks like, Ruth, that what you are striving to do, is to bring the two groups together so that each of them can find balance and help each other.  And it’s really interesting.  I had a call from one of my students last night, who is very frustrated and trying to figure out how he can help change the world … I said: sweaty, why don’t you focus right now on you and not being so fear based and so reactive and giving your power away to the power elite out there; because when you can get stronger and more centered, then you are going to have more to offer other people in your age group.  But what would you say to that, Kim?

Kim Michaels:  Well, I would say that’s really, really good advice.  I mean you are right; balance, I feel, is the key.  And when I was younger; I was, of course, just like you say, very unbalanced.  I wanted to do something spectacular for the world.  And one thing I’ve noticed with a lot of spiritual people – there is the what to do in life, and there is the how to do it.  And I think as spiritual people, we have an intuitive sense of what to do, and we are usually right on that.  We are here to create change.  But where we often get messed up and where the ego really takes us for a ride is in the how.  Because we get trapped into thinking that there’s these – just like a couple weeks ago – the black and white thinking, there’s a simple solution.  And it’s always getting somebody else to change, because the problem is out there.  And that’s what the ego loves to do.  And I think, incidentally, if your talking about inter-faith – one of the big problems there is that people see religions as a divisive thing, whereas each religion things it’s better than all the others.

Parthenia: Yes.  And when we come back after commercial break, I’d like for us to discuss that and the work that you are doing in bringing all of these divisive religions together.  It is so needed.


(Discussion about what Ruth has done and the awards she has won.  Waking people to their divinity.  People being the change we want to see.  Passover and the story of the liberation of slaves shared with Jewish, non-Jewish and black people.  Universal freedom Seder.)

Ruth: …I had no thought of talking about religion or meeting people from other religions, organizing conferences, getting religions together.  The man, who was in charge of that yoga studio, was a good astrologer.  And so my friends urged me to pay $100 to get my chart done.  And he said in the second half of your life, you will be traveling around the world bringing and talking about religion.  And I thought to myself, what a waste of $100.  And a few years ago, I thought to myself, oh my gosh, I’m doing it.  That’s what you said earlier about discovering your gift.  I didn’t know that I was being groomed my whole life to do that work.  Now I know.

Parthenia:And you stepped into it.  And it’s so important for all of us, the older generation to mentor the younger people and to help them find their destiny, what it is that they came here to the planet to do.  And Kim, I know you have a lot of information and a lot of tools on transcendence toolbox.  If you could talk for a bit about that.

Kim Michaels:  The ascended masters say that we all have a divine plan.  And it’s something we make before we come into embodiment.  We meet with our spiritual counselors - and each of us has at least one, and usually several, ascended masters who are assigned to help us - and so we plan our next embodiment.  And, of course, many spiritual people are already in tune with this, because they have certain intuitive flashes throughout their lives.  But when you become more consciously aware of it, then you can have much more of a clear vision.  And, as you said, on transcendence toolbox we do have a lot of tools for that, including some ways to call forth a clear vision of your divine plan.

Often, what happens to us as we grow up is that - of course, we forget our divine plan when we are born and we come into embodiment – but often we get so involved with things in life that we end up having so much that is pulling on our attention that there is just so much static in the radio of our minds, that we can’t tune into the station where we can see our divine plan clearly.  And so the more we can calm the mind and try to achieve balance, like we talked about earlier, the more of a clear vision we get.  But I also think that, as I said earlier, the what and the how.  Many times we get so involved with thinking that we have to do things a certain way.  And I have found myself, that there came a point where even though I was a spiritual person, I had been on the spiritual path for many years; I felt I really had to surrender.  I had to let go of all of my expectations of how I should serve.  And when I was able to do that and completely surrender my own intentions and my ego-based ambitions, then I really started getting a much clearer vision of what I was supposed to do.  So I think that’s a very important principle, that surrender.

Parthenia:Ok, now what book, you have so many Kim – would it be the fairly new one on the self that you would recommend to young people in terms of helping them find that?  Or is there a particular reading on your website that you would point them to?

Kim Michaels:  Well, transcendence toolbox has some tools there you can find on your divine plan.  But you are right, the new book, The Power of Self, is really a very general introduction to the spiritual path and to finding your life’s purpose.  And it does talk about your divine plan and gives practical tools and suggestions on how to clarify your vision.

Parthenia:…Is it available – yeah it is available as an e-book.

Kim:Yeah, it’s on Amazon.  Any bookstore can order it home, if they don’t have it in stock.

Parthenia:Ruth has a new book called Mind Fields and Miracles, Why God and Allah Need to Talk. …

(List some more of the workshops at the Seeds of Peace Conference.  Peace and Justice High School out of Pasadena.  Students majoring in Peace Studies at University of Berkeley.  Mary Ann Williamson and Dennis Kusenich (spelling?) worked on establishing a Department of Peace in the United States government, but it didn’t manifest, yet.)

Ruth: There is a story of a woman, who was working on that project, who was in an elevator with five generals.  They looked at her and they asked her what she was doing and she said: I’m here to establish a Department of Peace.  The elevator went quiet, right?  And when they left the elevator, one of them turned around to her and looked at her and said: Please hurry.

Parthenia:… Kim, does the work that Ruth is doing and all these people coming together – it just brings joy to my heart and it brings hope and I know that it’s going to do that for young people – how does that make you feel that actually we are doing something over here in California?

Kim Michaels:  Well I think it’s wonderful.  I think the more talk there is, the better.  I mean I think it’s absolutely amazing.  I will say, though, that a lot of times the people who are actually able to talk about interface are not the ones who are the divisive people who are in the religious field.  But obviously we have to start somewhere and, as you said yourself, it is important to have an intention.  And I think that when (???) positive people come together and have an intention to bring change, that is a very, very important step and it will start a snowball effect.  


(Ruth quotes from her book, Mind Fields and Miracles, Why God and Allah Need to Talk.)

Ruth: “As interfaith voyagers, guided by our heavenly stars and constellations, we believe that just beyond the horizon is a fertile and welcoming world, where people of many faiths can live in mutual respect and compassion, a land of unity within diversity and diversity within unity.  It is a world so rich in potential for inner and outer peace that we are willing to risk all.”

Parthenia:How about that!  And you know that’s really what it’s all about.  You’ve got to be willing to risk all, which means to me – the ego likes for you to play it safe and not take that leap of faith.  When I think about that quote from Mooney, where he says that we settle for trinkets when the entire treasure house is in our being.  And so when you consider that risking all is trinkets to get the whole treasure house.  So where is the real risk?  The ego makes us think that there is a huge risk.  Kim, I know you have something you can add to that.

Kim Michaels:  Yeah, running along with what we talked about earlier – what does it take to shift consciousness?  And I firmly believe that it takes a certain amount of people to shift their consciousness so that the global awareness shifts.  You know there are a lot of people that always ask why does God allow evil or why does God allow war on this planet.  But the fact is, we are (responsible) because God gave us free will.  And it is up to us to shift our consciousness.  And I believe that if 10% will shift their consciousness and say: “War is not acceptable.”; then it can change.



Copyright © 2013 Kim Michaels


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